KIRS Notebook – Did Derrick Rose Deserve The 2011 MVP?

Hey team,

But the Bulls have won alot of games without D Rose the last couple of years. Lebron was a better player that year and so was Dwight Howard. Of those 3 players i think Rose had a team that was more complete and built around him like Iversons sixers teams of yester year. Also D Rose was 25 ppg 8 Apg and 4Rb per game that year while Lebron was 27 7 and 7 in addition to shooting a slightly higher percentage. Dwight was 23 ppg 14 rb 2 blocks and 1 steal per game shooting 57 %, yea hes a big man so thats skewed.

The Bulls have won games since then without Rose but I don’t think that years team would’ve been as good without him because no one was ready to step up and play well without him. I don’t disagree with you about any of those points but do any of them make Derrick Rose any less deserving of the award?

Rose’s impact during the 2011 season was very clear as the Bulls relied on him way more than they do now. I don’t believe they were good enough to make the conference finals without him due to the different personnel. A young Noah and underperforming Ben Gordon could not carry the load as the personel currently for Chicago can.

The greatest vindication for Lebron came in the conference finals when Lebron completely took Derrick Rose out the game.

But it’s not a “Who’s More Talented Award” it’s Most Valuable Player. Doesn’t Lebron locking up Rose kind of prove that without Rose, the Bulls were doomed to fail. You could make the argument that if Lebron had been held in check, the Heat still have a shot with a healthy Wade and Bosh.

I disagree with the latter entirely. Bulls still had Noah, Deng and Korver at peak levels….also Asik. When talent is combined with statistical data the ”whos more talented” proposition is voided. Lebron had better stats. Dwight stats also to. Dwight had a great playoffs start but Hawks gang guarded him daring everyone else to beat him, lol that was Super Saiyan Larry Drew

Rose was the new talent that was doing things in the league that no one was doing (Besides Westbrook athletically). Rose was the main cog in that Bulls machine that made everything work. Rose’s team was in 1st place and he had MVP numbers while closing out games. Plus narrative plays a huge part in MVP voting, so while LeBron had great numbers, he also had two hall of famers playing with him and the “villain” role was a upon him. It’s kind of simple to see why Rose won and deserved that MVP.

This narrative stuff should play no role especially when Lebron has proven he will get his numbers in any situation. Rose was not better that year statistically.

The only way that’s going to happen is if we change the voting system. Writers vote and they’ll have their biases. It would be impossible to tell someone to vote for MVP without them taking into consideration certain narratives and situations. To crown someone simply for their stats negates what the award means. If Player A finishes with 25, 8 and 5 while leading his team to the best record and Player B finishes with 27, 7 and 7 but had less wins and a more talented supporting cast shouldn’t Player A deserve MVP just as much as Player B? Why should he be penalized because he scored less points per game?

Were acting like D Rose team won the east and went to the championship lol. Im not penalizing Lebron for being on a team with 2 hall of famers, we all know he would have gotten those stats regardless.

Also this is my final thought 

We are not, we are speaking on behalf of the regular season in which he was dominate in and took his team to the first seed regardless if Bron could have done his numbers anywhere else. Let’s not reach into the postseason because this award is based on the merits of the regular season.

I don’t think the Bulls being a one seed in the east is that big a deal. The Heat were just put together even had a 20 win streak i believe which is probably harder to do. I mention the playoffs because it proves what the stats already say. Also if we are looking for the narrative of a player carrying a team that title goes to Dwight that season. He basically was the Magic defense. I would bet the farm that if D Rose would be removed from the Bulls in 2011 they’d still be a 5 seed or better while the Magic would be lottery.

Fact check, their 20 game streak were the following year, the year Bron won the MVP

I know that, thats why i said I believe but that year in 2010 they won 20 games at some point if it wasn’t straight 20 it was something like 20 out of 21 games after starting 9-8.